POKEYMANS thread

PhoneLobster · Post by **PhoneLobster** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:36 am

I'm just going to say it. Super Training is fucking bullshit.

Oh sure, shoot some balloons. But if your pokemon inexplicably uses the massively inferior "Rapid Fire" shot then FUCK YOU.

Thank's a fucking lot, my Ferroseed will never be competitive, great.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:00 am

I'm having no problem with super training.

I reached the Stonehenge, where everyone is asking the question. Now wandering off to do the whole Fighting Gym -> Mega Stone thing.

PhoneLobster · Post by **PhoneLobster** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:16 pm

Koumei wrote:I'm having no problem with super training.

So I'm just going to assume you've never had a rapid fire pokemon in it then. Or is there something fundamental I'm missing?

You can only hit the majority of targets ONCE, rapid fire pokemons shoot out mountains of balls each of which hit for a fraction of standard points on hits. You can only begin to come close to reasonable scoring on the rare targets that can take multiple hits, not all balloons even generate those targets and many that do don't generate ENOUGH such targets.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:53 pm

So teach Ferroseed something else, and then reteach it Rapid Shot?

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:08 am

I've used rapid-firers, and basically you spam a flurry of shots whenever the white goals appear, and you'll find you can get a group all at once, then you just go completely mental on the red goals. Even for the ones with one shot per tap, I generally don't want to wait to charge-up for each individual one and just rapid-fire by tapping a whole heap - because the faster you clear the white goals, the more often the red goals show up.

Prak: nah, it isn't related to the actual moves the pokemon knows. It's a touch-screen-tapping minigame.

PhoneLobster · Post by **PhoneLobster** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:17 am

I've eventually figured it out, some internet advice previously not there has begun to materialise over the last few days.

Aside from throwing aside everything the tutorial teaches you in methodology and spamming like that also the big deal is that basically there is a giant difficulty spike for the first one or two run throughs with an untrained rapid shooter.

What I didn't know is that the previous training that alters your stats also makes you better at more training, so you train your special attack and attack and your ball shooting damage will eventually get good enough to make a rapid firer actually work.

The problem is they DON'T work at first. And you need to win some attack/special attack or do the alternative means of improving that stuff which this whole super training was introduced to bypass because it's crap.

First run throughs you basically have to play incredibly perfect runs to just barely succeed. OR, you throw on a strength bag and that should make the difference enough to make it somewhat sensibly doable, then you just snowball from there.

Of course to get the strength bags you have to go and waste time and humiliate yourself with some losses first...

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:13 am

Oh right, yeah, I was messing about with the bags for a bit first. Anyway, you can also get the bags just at random through time passing, or by hitting the regular bag. In case you thought "I'd really like to waste time tapping the screen. How can I lengthen this process more?"

The most annoying thing I've found about EV training is that basically all the ones I use are physical sweepers, with a couple of defensive ones. So Speed and Attack are used by "most", whereas the defences and HP are just used by a couple, and special attack is... a little bit for Charizard (although thanks to having X, this is more a Physical Sweeper), then some for Lapras (better as a wall).

I suppose I can get them to take drugsvitamin supplements.

Incidentally, which is Gym 4? I imagine I can just waltz in and beat it with "whatever", once I stop gardening and slapping nobility around.

And apparently you need either a spare *pokeball* (not Great, Ultra or whatever), or "the same type as Nincada is in" in order to get Shedinja when it evolves into Ninjask. Which is a shame.

Maxus · Post by **Maxus** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:07 am

Yeah, it is.

And foxed a lot of people, me included, when that happened.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:33 pm

Personally I haven't bothered with the Super Training because every opponent is so easy.

Koumei wrote:Incidentally, which is Gym 4? I imagine I can just waltz in and beat it with "whatever", once I stop gardening and slapping nobility around.

4th Gym Leader is Grass. You have at least 2 Fire Pokemon on your team. Laugh as you burn his place down.

And apparently you need either a spare *pokeball* (not Great, Ultra or whatever), or "the same type as Nincada is in" in order to get Shedinja when it evolves into Ninjask. Which is a shame.

That's really fucking stupid.

Another progress report:
[*]You get to ride a Mamoswine, but like Rhyhorn it's only temporary, and you can't ride your own if you have one.
[*]First you have to go through the annoying ice cave that is in literally every Pokemon game (Seafoam Islands, Ice Path, Shoal Cave, Snowpoint Temple, Giant Chasm) to fight Team Flare who are harnessing electricity from an Abomasnow. A Ice/Grass Pokemon. That now apparently generates electricity. They run off again, and again this is apparently "according to plan."
[*]Annoying companions are annoying some more.
[*]7th Gym is basically the Distortion World, only it is filled with Psychics and has a female version of Rezo the Red Priest from Slayers as the Gym Leader. Another easy battle, and like every Psychic Gym Leader since Gen III (which, is ironically, just the two from Gen III: the twins and Sabrina), she gives out Calm Mind.
[*]4 of the badges in this game so far share the name of their type: Bug Badge, Grass Badge, Fairy Badge and Psychic Badge. Are they really that low on ideas?
[*]Team Flare now apparently have all the things they need to enact their plan.

[*]Guy who was obviously leader of Team Flare says he's leader of Team Flare. In fact, he announces it to the world.
[*]He's basically the love child of Comic Book Villain Galactic Boss Cyrus and Pedophile Unova Champion Alder in both appearance and personality. Like Cyrus, he's a spiky-haired dour (in both expression and demeanor) guy who that plans to destroy the current world and make a new one using the version legendary because he thinks the world is incomplete and full of strife. Unlike Cyrus, he plans to share eternity with his incompetent underlings. Like Alder, he's a spiky-red-haired guy obsessed with young people, and like Alder, everyone thinks he's super nice even though he's clearly a horrible person. Unlike Alder, the game does try to make him out as a villain and he's not terrifying looking.

[*]The BBEG's business that's a front for his criminal enterprise has a poorly-concealed secret passage guarded by a Grunt that leads to his HQ. Sound familiar?
[*]BBEG gives a monologue about how he found an ancient superweapon (located in Stonehenge, of course) that harnessed the version legendary's power and plans to use it to destroy the world.
[*]There's also a like 9-foot tall really old guy who is being held captive. It's made fairly obvious that he made the superweapon.
[*]So then you fight the BBEG, and then some henchmen, and then the BBEG again, and then you fight a scientist. He offers you a choice of pressing a red or a blue button. Either way the superweapon gets activated: blue turns it off but then then he activates it remotely.
[*]You go to Stonehenge, and catch the Legendary. You literally catch it, because if you KO it it gets back up until you catch it. This might only be with Xerneas though since it has life-restoring powers.
[*]Annoying companions are annoying some more.
[*]BBEG now has Doc Ock tentacles too. And sunglasses, because he's openly part of Team Flare now. He also has a Mega Gyarados, but it still goes down easily enough to electricity, it just doesn't explode on contact with it anymore.
[*]After losing BBEG threatens you with immortality on the merits that you would be "trapped forever in a imperfect world." Doesn't sound too bad to me. However, you just auto-leave. No immortality for me. Oh well, never did intend to live forever.

And that's all for now.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:13 am

Darth Rabbitt wrote:Personally I haven't bothered with the Super Training because every opponent is so easy.

True, I just do it for the fun of it. And currently I'm waiting for some slow-ass berries to harvest, and cannot be fucked running across the entire fucking country, so I'm sitting around that area, checking the trees, beating nobles up for their money, and Super Training. And then I will never plant berries again until I get the Fly HM. Can't the games just start with this shit?

4th Gym Leader is Grass. You have at least 2 Fire Pokemon on your team. Laugh as you burn his place down.

Oh man, that one is going to be hilarious. Between Mister Burns and CHAAAAR! (now a full Charizard, with Charizardite-X), that will be a joke.

They run off again, and again this is apparently "according to plan."

It's God's Will!

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:35 am

Koumei wrote:
They run off again, and again this is apparently "according to plan."
It's God's Will!

Arceus works in mysterious ways.

FUN FACT: When you encounter Mewtwo, the battle music is a remix of the original Vs. Mewtwo music from Red/Blue. FURTHER FUN FACT: THIS IS TOTALLY BITCHROD

Incidentally, is Pokémon Bank really the only way to transfer Pokémon from Gen V to X/Y? Because if so.... I cannot think of any epitaph or swear worse enough to yell at Nintendo.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:37 am

Yes, Pokebank is the only way, apparently so they can prevent haxxed pokes from being uploaded - because there's no way currently to hack the 3DS titles. Note that all it prevents is illegal pokemon - if you use an AR or whatever to make a pokemon that you technically could have legally captured (it just happens to have the perfect EVs, IVs, Nature and Egg Moves or Hidden Ability), or to unlock an event (and then you capture the event pokemon normally), it's fine.

So balls to that.

And now I have beaten the Grass Gym, and that was a joke. Mister Burns beat every single thing on his own. So now I can Fly, huzzah. And I've spent some time going back and catching shit. ALL THE SHIT WILL BE CAUGHT.

Also, it's really stupid to make the smoke and fire use polygons and not sprite-based particle effects or whatever. Torkoal's smoke is a solid balloon of wavy smoke, and the blue flames emerging from MegaCharizardX'es mouth look like blue wobbly tongues.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:59 am

Koumei wrote:Yes, Pokebank is the only way, apparently so they can prevent haxxed pokes from being uploaded - because there's no way currently to hack the 3DS titles. Note that all it prevents is illegal pokemon - if you use an AR or whatever to make a pokemon that you technically could have legally captured (it just happens to have the perfect EVs, IVs, Nature and Egg Moves or Hidden Ability), or to unlock an event (and then you capture the event pokemon normally), it's fine.

So balls to that.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:15 am

Also, I really recommend patting and playing with your pokemon to max their friendship. Not just so that Return hits really hard and they dance about more in battle, but also because they actually get a miss chance against enemy attacks and improved critical rate on their own attacks. I actually got five affection-based crits in a row with MR BURNS.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:42 pm

So, here are some interesting thingies about X/Y!

New and rather bizarre methods of evolution!

- Pandespiègle evolves at Lv. 32 if there's a Dark-type Pokémon in the party.

- Évoli evolves into Nymphali at Lv. 30 once it's learned a Fairy-type move and it has a +2 heart bond in Pokémon Amie.

- Colimucus evolves at Lv. 50 if it's raining.

- And, my personal favorite, Sepiatop evolves at Lv. 30 if you hold the DS upside-down upon level up.

Roaming Pokémon!

The Legendary Kanto Bird Trio will appear roaming about the place post-game. Similar to FireRed/LeafGreen, the starter you picked will determine which of the trio will appear: If you picked Marisson, then you get Artikodin; if you picked Feunnec, then you get Électhor; if you picked Grenousse, then you get Sulfura.

However, unlike prior roaming Pokémon, each time you encounter one, they will immediately flee before you can take any action. After tracking them down a dozen times, they will appear in Sea Spirits Den, which is off the coast of Coumarine City, via Route 12.

Battle Maison!

Finally, Game Freak has done the whole "Battle Tower/BP places" thing right! So, with these things in prior games, you had to fight like five to ten opponents in a row, and when you were done you'd get like one or two BP for the whole thing, making it totally not worth the trouble. But! With the Battle Maison, you still fight several opponents in a row, but you get BP after each fight, and the more you fight, the more BP you get. I got up to 13 fights, and by that point I was earning 2 BP for each win. Also, the Trainers are as weak as old man balls. There's still the whole "cap at Lv. 50, Legendaries are banned, etc.", but it's so easy that it's not that big a deal.

CLOTHES! and other customization things!

This is probably my favorite new thing about the games. I've always always always wanted a customization feature in a Pokémon game (Pokémon Battle Revolution don't count).

There are boutiques that sell clothes in different cities(Santalune City, Lumiose City, Cyllage City, Laverre City, Anistar City and Snowbelle City), and each boutique has it's own theme and unique selection (For example, Santalune City exclusively sells hats, Cyllage City has a sporty theme going on, so on and so forth).

In Lumiose City, there's a saloon where you can change your hair style and color, and you can unlock various styles by doing various things around the city.

In the Trainer PR studios, there's chick who will give you a lens case that contains contact lenses (obviously), which allows you to change your eye color (obviously).

Also in Lumiose City, there's another saloon that caters to one specific Pokémon: Couafarel. There, you can style your adorable little poodle Pokémon into various styles. The styling lasts for about five days, after which point the Couafarel's fur grows back to normal, and you have to get it styled again.

So, X/Y ain't perfect, and people may not think these things are as awesome as I do. To those people, I say

(For those of you who aren't as into the whole "Kalos=France" thing as I am:
Pandespiègle = Pancham
Évoli = Eevee
Nymphali - Sylveon
Colimucus = Sliggoo
Sepiatop = Inkay
Marisson = Chespin
Feunnec = Fennekin
Grenousse = Froakie
Artikodin = Articuno
Électhor = Zapdos
Sulfura = Moltres
Couafarel = Furfrou
As you may have guessed, I've been naming all of my Pokémon after their French names, when applicable.)

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:24 pm

Oh, dear... this is troublesome.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:27 am

Yeah, my workmate mentioned that to me. I didn't encounter it because I basically don't save in the middle of towns. I only save "right outside the berry field", "inside Pokecentres", and "right in front of the gym leader/1-off pokemon I'm about to fight".

And yeah, the clothing and hairstyles thing is an amazing change, I am so happy. I just wish the skirts were a bit longer, because when roller blading, if it goes to the behind-you perspective (such as in ParisLumiose city), yeah. Also because, being a Duchess, I want to go for the elegant look.

Currently rocking out with four pokemon that have their Megastones (Charizard, Ampharos, Aerodactyl, Lucario). And I have Gengarite, but I haven't done a link trade, nor paid for the ability to upload a Gengar from 5Gen.

Also regarding the high affection bonuses: they get more experience (I've just beaten the Fairy Gym, and MR BURNS was seriously over-levelled for them), and also have a sort of Shed Skin thing where they sometimes go "I loves you!" and just tell a status effect to fuck off. Sometimes in the same turn that they get the condition (and that occurs before any poison/burn damage).

So basically, enough cakes and tummy rubs equates to a Lucky Egg, Improved CriticalSuper Luck, Shed Skin and also some Evasiveness. Except they can't be Entrained/Mummied/Skill Swapped away, and you still get your normal Ability.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:58 am

In other news:

[*]You fight the Professor, who uses level 50 versions of all of the Kanto Starters (which I am pretty sure is the highest level any opponent up to this point has had.) None of them Mega-Evolve, so this guy is a pushover.
[*]You get to beat the shit out of all the annoying companions one at a time on a bridge; I'm quite upset that I couldn't knock them off to their death Mortal Kombat style; mercy is not in their future.
[*]As a consolation prize, Not-Bianca gives you Waterfall. I'd rather have her head on a pike, since I'm fucking sick of these companions.
[*]Last Gym is Ice-type. Because the game needs more filler, the Gym Leader is off in the woods and I have to drag his sorry ass back home.
[*]The Gym Leader, Wulfric Stormcloak, apparently spends his spare time talking to Pokemon living in a secret Pokemon village like he was a Disney Princess. But if you tell him you want to kick his ass he'll go back home to his Gym to get his ass kicked like a good boy.
[*]That's where I am now, right before the last gym. No one that I have fought has had a Pokemon over level 50, while my Pokemon are all at least level 62. Ice is a terrible defensive type. See where I'm going with this? This shit will be funny.
[*]Also, you can't have "Stupid" as part of your Pokemon's nickname. I wanted to nickname a Foongus "Stupid Pun," so this is sad.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:05 am

Ice, you say?

laughingfiretypes.jpg

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:18 pm

Koumei wrote:I just wish the skirts were a bit longer, because when roller blading, if it goes to the behind-you perspective (such as in ParisLumiose city), yeah.

I actually don't mind this...

Wiseman · Post by **Wiseman** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:51 pm

You can catch Zoroark in the pokemon village. Just throwing that out there.

Of course my attempts to catch them were marred by annoyingly frequent critical hits.

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:02 pm

Shrapnel wrote:
Koumei wrote:I just wish the skirts were a bit longer, because when roller blading, if it goes to the behind-you perspective (such as in ParisLumiose city), yeah.
I actually don't mind this...

No comment.

Wiseman wrote:Of course my attempts to catch them were marred by annoyingly frequent critical hits.

Yeah, same here.

Koumei · Post by **Koumei** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:36 pm

Just False Swipe them. Lead with a Thunder Wave, then switch and Swipe. If you're doing it at night (which you are), use a Dusk Ball. Those are your best odds for capture, short of using a Master Ball.

I like the extra little locations lying around, like the Lost Hotel. There's enough "other stuff" lying around the place that even following the standard "Beat Team Rocket, become World Heavyweight Champion" plot is just fine. It's even nice that Professor Tree says to just do whatever (despite the game putting you on rails).

Darth Rabbitt · Post by **Darth Rabbitt** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:48 am

I don't mind the extra locations, but I do hate that you're so frequently railroaded into them to do stupid things in what feels like really bad anime filler.

So I defeated Wulfric; he has a level 56 Abomasnow, a level 55 Cyrogonal, and a level 59 Avalugg (an Ice Pokemon that looks like it's had the top of its head and back cut off.) The latter is the only one that might be problematic, because of its freakishly high Defense; Surf from Mega Blastoise did more to it than Iron Head from an Aegislash. If you have a Special-Attack based Fire, Steel, Rock, or Fighting Pokemon (or something that knows really good Special Attack moves) it would die super fucking hard. It still went down without doing much damage, and had I not spent a turn switching from a Jigglypuff I was raising to Aegislash (not knowing how high Avalugg's Defense was), and then to Blastoise, the fight would have been over in a minute or two. And this is the strongest guy so far. By a lot. Wulfric gives you Ice Beam as a TM. Much celebration is to be had.

Next up: I take on the Elite Four.

Shrapnel · Post by **Shrapnel** » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:02 pm

Hey, everybody! The 1.1 patch for X/Y is out! Lumiose City is no longer a bugged death trap! It's just a French death trap now!